How OPPO Is Your Car? (in progress - rev5 edits - BIG changes since Friday - last chance to make suggestions!)

"davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com" (davesaddiction) 09/10/2020 at 10:40 • Filed to: None

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Seems like it would be a fun project to update and revise How Jalopnik Is Your Car? for OPPO, a decade plus after the original.

**UPDATE (Friday evening) - I will share this one last time for suggestions/revisions on Monday morning (the 14th), and then put up a “final” version in a separate post once the last changes are made early next week - please score your car(s) and let me know what changes you think need to be made! (Once we have the final formula, I’ll work with HHFP to try to get it all in the spreadsheet calculator that he worked on.)

***UPDATE (Saturday evening) - MAJOR CHANGE! Both RWD and 2-door have been dropped from 25 points each to 20 points each, as scores were starting to get “out of whack”. Apologies to the V6 Mustang/Camaro owners. Horsepower ranges have also been adjusted. Plenty of other small changes have also been made today...

***UPDATE (Monday morning) - LAST CALL FOR REVISIONS! Speak now of forever hold your peace (who am I kidding, this is Oppo... LOL)!

Here’s the OG scoring system (edits in bold) :

1: Engine

We once read an interview with !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! where the ex-Minuteman was asked his thoughts on 7-string basses. In his Wattian. round about way of thinking, the man in the van with the bass in his hand said that he once met a kid with a 1-string bass. So, for every 7-string bass, there ought to be an equivalent 1-stringer. This is one of our guiding principles. With that in mind:

4-Cylinder: 0 points, unless boxer/flat, then 7 points.   V4? 14 points.

3-Cylinder: 1 point, unless you have an i8, then 8 points.

2-Cylinder: 50 points. We heart Trabants.

1-Cylinder: 100 points. May your !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! live long and prosper.

5-Cylinder: 2 6 points. What, you think an Acura Vigor deserves more? Special dispensation: if you drive a 5-banger Jetta, -5 points.

6-Cylinder (V6): 3 5 points.

6-Cylinder (inline): 10 points. Datsun Z, Jeep Cherokee, 3-Series, Dodge Dart? Hell yeah!

6-Cylinder (boxer/flat): 12 points.

8-Cylinder (V8): 15 points.

8-Cylinder (inline): 20 points.

8-Cylinder (flat): I don’t believe you...

10-Cylinder: 25 points. And if you drive a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , give yourself an extra 50 points.

12-Cylinder (V12): 30 points.

12-Cylinder (Flat): 50 points. Especially if you drive a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .

16-Cylinder: 100 points.

Rotary: 23 points.

W8/12: 17 points

Turbine: 1 million points. I hear you, Udman.

Hybrid (not 48v systems) : Divide your current point total by 1.4 (unless your hybrid has a manual, then 25 points, or unless you own one of the “holy trinity”/other hybrid supercar, then divide by 2.8 - you don’t need any more points!).

Electric: Give 2 points to the guy sitting next you. Just kidding, 6 points.

Aftermarket hybrid/electric conversion: 25 points.

1.b: More engine

Longitudinally mounted: 25 15 points. Even if you have a 4-banger, that 4-banger could be in a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .

Latitudinally mounted (transverse) : -10 points ( unless mid/rear-engined, then 1 point).

Boxer/flat layout: 10 points.

Slant: 20 points.

Flathead: 25 points.

Throttle bodies: Add 5 points per throttle body.

Carburetor: Add 10 points for each carb.

Air Cooled: 25 points.

Diesel (domestic) : 20 10 points (unless you live in Europe).

Diesel (Euro-trash): -20 points.

Engine not original: 15 points.

2: Aspiration

Normally aspirated: 0 points. Hey, lots of cool cars breathe all on their own. But why? And, like, the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! doesn’t really need any more help. (+10 if redline 7000 or greater, +10 if redline less than 3000)

Turbocharged (single) : 15 5 points (+10 for pre-2016 OEM, +10 if not OEM)

Supercharged: 15 points (and 50 more if twin superchargers)

Twin-Turbo (dual): 20 points

Twin-Turbo (sequential): 30 points

Quad-Turbo: 50 points

Dualcharged (super and turbo): 100 points. We heart the !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .

3: Body Style

4-doors: 0 points. If you have an E39 M5 (or any RWD, manual, V8 sedan), — that’s 20 points you get a gold star for stealth. If a 3-door hatch, 7 points for weirdness.

5-door crossover: -5 points.

5-door hatchback: 5 points (you know the difference...).

5-door wagon : 5 10 points. Despite what !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! says, we love wagons. Special dispensation: If any of those 5 doors are of the sliding variety, -10 points.

3-doors: 10 points. Viva la shooting brake!

2-doors: 25 20 points. Screw practicality.

2-doors (gullwing and/or scissors): 35 points (unless aftermarket, then -17.5).

0-doors: 50 points.

Doors, however many, but they’re welded shut: 100 points.

Ute: 15 points

Camino- ized : 101 points.

Convertible: 15 points (if targa, make it 30).

Hardtop Convertible: -10 points.

4-Door Hardtop Convertible: +50 15 points

T-Tops: 25 points.

Single-seater: 25 points.

10+ seats: 10 points (how’s your headache?)

Update : Suicide Doors: 50 points (must open independently of other doors).

3.b: Trucks, Crossovers & SUVs *Only* - Body Style
—> skip to 3.c if scoring a car <—

_ * Body on Frame : 10 points.

_ * Unibody: -20 -10 points.

_ * Flatbed: 20 points

_ * Dually: 50 points.

Minivan: -300 points.

_ * Minivan + manual (or + aftermarket suspension): 25 points.

_ * Panel van: 30 points.

_ * Custom/ Conversion Van: 50 points.

3.c: Curb Weight

3000 lbs or less: 10 points.

2000 lbs or less: 20 points, and stay safe out there!

5000 lbs or more (and not an HD pickup): -10 points.

4: Wheels Driven

Front-wheel drive: 0 points. Hey, I love a good front driver as much as the next guy, but you just don’t get any points - sorry! Unless, of course, your car is pre-1970, then 7 points!

All-wheel drive: 10 points.

4-wheel drive: 15 points. This means you have low gears and you use them. If you have never moved your transfer case, -50 points.

Rear-wheel drive: 25 20 points. Lets face facts. Rear-wheel drive is the best (unless you own a truck/SUV, then 5 points).   Special dispensation: if you own a RWD SUV, -55 points. Update: FWD SUV: -105 points.

Limited-slip differential: 10 points.

Locking differential(s): 5 points per.

5: Engine Location

Front: 0 points

Mid: 10 15 points

Rear: 20 points

Two engines (not electrics/hybrids) : !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! .

6: Transmission

Automatic: 0 points. Special dispensation: Column shift? 10 points. Unless its that weird new BMW/MB column shifter — that gets you -30 points.

Manual: 20 points. And good for you. Dog-leg 1st gear? Add 10 more.

Manual on the tree: 60 points.

CVT: -20 points. You really don’t get this whole driving thing, do you?

Crashbox: 30 points

Paddle shifters Dual-clutch : 5   take 10 points for your flappy paddles . Unless you have a Ferrari/Maserati-style setup where the paddles are stock-mounted, that’ll net you 30 points.

Single-clutch automated manual: -10 points (unless you drive a race car, then add 15)

Transmission not original: 15 points.

7: Country of Origin ( Home Country of Automaker, not factory location )

China: 0 points

Korea: 0 3 points.

Japan: 1 3 point. Deduct -10 points if you drive a 4-banger slushbox Camry. Yeah, you .

‘Merica: 5 points. Unless your domestic car was made in Korea — that’s -5 points.

Germany: 10 7 points. Unless you drive a Jetta, then -10 points. New Bug? -100 points.

Sweden: 15 points.

Britain: 20 Points. You brave man.

Italy: 25 points. You brave fucker.

Eastern Bloc: 30 points.

India: 40 points.

France: 50 points.

FUCK UPUPDATE:: Land of the Raging Hoon (Australia): 75 points (unless you live down under)

Mixed origin: 100 points. As in your French SM has an Italian engine. Or if your Cobra has a British chassis and a ‘Merican engine that was built in Canada. -90 points if your R-Class was built in Tennessee.

Other (Canada, Israel, Northern Ireland): 13 points. And you’re lucky to be getting them.

Final assembly location same as country of make: 5 points.

Country of origin no longer exists? 10 points.

!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! 5 points.

8: POWA! (**might need to adjust these for modern HP numbers**)

0-50 hp: 25 points. You’re very brave.

51-100 hp: 5 points. You’re very poor.

101- 160 180 hp: 0 points. Unless you drive a Se7en or a Miata ( or any RWD car under 2500 lbs ) — that’s +20 points.

161 181 - 270 280 hp: 5 points. Not too shabby.

271 281 -380 hp: 10 points. We like where you’re going.

381 - 450 hp: 25 points. Awesome. The power sweet spot. Not too hot, not too cold.

451 - 600 hp: 2 points. You’re rich. Big deal. Unless you drive a Z06. Then we’re jealous and we hate you.

601 - 750 hp: 30 points. You might be rich, but we love your taste in cars.

751 - 1000 hp: 50 points seems about right.

1001+ hp: 100 points. Special dispensation: if you drive a !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , 1,000,000,000 points!!!

9: Age

2020/21 model: 10 points. Congratulations.

4 years or younger: 5 points.

5 - 10 years: 0 points.

11 - 20 years: 10 points. You can wrench.

21 - 30 years: 20 points. You can really wrench.

31 - 40 years: 30 points. Can we have a ride? Pretty please?

41 - 50 years: 40 points. When small cars started to make it big.

51 - 60 years: 50 points. The golden age of rad. Sigh...

61+ years old: 60 points (+40 for Pre-WWII, a nd we tip our cap to you).

10: Other

Color (exterior)! (if not white/black/silver/gray/beige): 10 points.
- Two-tone paint job? Add 3 more.

Color (interior)! (if not black/gray/beige/tan): 5 points.

Pop-up (or hideaway) headlights: 10 points

Manual seats: 5 points. If driver’s seat is fixed in place, add 10 more.

Factory Recaros, or aftermarket racing buckets: 10 points.

Front bench seat: !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

Sunroof/moonroof: -5 points.

Aftermarket roll protection (cage/roll bar) : 5 points.

Cupholders: -5 points for every cupholder.
- zero: 10 5 points
- less than or equal to number of seats: 0 points.
- greater than number of seats: -10 points

Ashtrays: 5 points for every ashtray. Special dispensation: if your car has more than 5 ashtrays, you get 50 bonus points on top of the 5 points for each ashtray.

Bondo: 10 points for every unpainted patch.

REAL wood trim (interior or exterior): 10 points (wooden frame? 50 points)

Piano black interior trim: -10 points.

Black exterior “window” style piece that’s not actually a window: -10 points.

“Exhaust tips” that aren’t actually connected to the exhaust: -10 points.

Fake vents or !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! ? -5 for each.

NO FEAR sticker: -1,000 points.

Salt Life sticker: -50 points

Truck Nutz: -100 points. Unless you live in !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! . Then 500 points.

All-digital dashboard (pre-2015) : 25 points.

Working all-digital dashboard: 30 points.

Analog clock: 5 points.

Carbon fiber body panel(s) or monocoque: 25 points.

RHD in a LHD nation (or vice-versa): 10 points.

Metric-only gauges in an Imperial unit country (or vice-versa): 10 points.

Hydropneumatic suspension: 50 points

Waterbed: 6.9 points.

Has been driven in anger on track/autox/rally/hillclimb: 10 points. ( Wanted to add this, but opens up a Pandora’s Box of use-based bonuses...)

UPDATE: If your particular !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! , then give yourself 245 points. If not, no whining.

Point Key: (my edits/additions may have totally screwed this up...)

Negative Points: Consider your life choices.

0 Points: Go ride a bike.

1-5 Points: !!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! is that way.

6-15 Points: Hey, at least you know what a car is.

16-30 points: That’s a cool car you got there. Time to Sawzall the back off.

31-45 points: It’s no Hoondai Sonata, but it’s pretty good.

46-75 points: You like driving. You even like driving a lot. But why all the compromises, man?

76- 100 120 points: ‘Vettes get ‘em wet, dude . As do turbo-diesel Peugeot wagons.

121- 150 160 points: Is that an E39 M5 in your pocket? Or do you have an erection?

161-200 points Fantasy Garage

201-250 points: Bitchin’ Camino

251+ points: You love cars. Secret cars, concept cars, flying cars, vintage cars, tricked-out cars, red cars, black cars, blonde cars - sometimes, cars just because of the curve of a hood.

https://jalopnik.com/how-jalopnik-is-your-car-346367

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With everything being turbocharged these days, it does seem like that should be worth less, and NA might deserve something more that zero. Not sure.

I think we remain mostly faithful to the old formula, but just make slight edits and additions in line with how things have changed in the past 12 years on the automotive landscape (for example, Mexico and China need to be added to country of origin - final assembly).

Please add your suggestions below, and star or comment to add weight to the changes you agree with. This formula is already long and complex, so I don’t want to take it too much farther off into the weeds, but I do think it’d be fun to have an updated OPPO version of this.

And if you don’t like the score your car ended up with, try Future next gen S2000 owner’s formula:

I vote for one system/category and one only.

Is your car a soul sucking succubus that you loathe getting into everytime? -1 point

Do you derive pleasure from your vehicle, whether it be through the steering, a can’t be killed attitude, second glances after you park, or a loving care of maintenance well past the point others just give up? +2 points.

There is no more Oppo car than others. Oppo is an attitude. It’s a loving devotion to doing coolant swaps on time. It’s busted knuckles to get one more year before you have to finally give in and get something newer. It’s syncing multiple carbs so you get that one perfect drive that makes all the other bad days worth it. It’s loving the car you have because you are emotionally attached to it.

It’s not some weird V5, brown motorcycle convertible. I enjoy my TourX as much as I enjoy my Ram 1500 as much as I enjoyed the Saab before those. Nothing will touch the Mustang I had nor the Daytona but each is Oppo in their own way.

Oppo is emotional attachment. Oppo is love.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:32

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Already planning to add a Number of Seats section under the doors section.

1 > 3 > 2 > 4 > 6 > 9+ > 5 > 7 > 8

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:38

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Clearly, “2008 Model” will be changed to 2020/21.

E90M3 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:48

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If we update the E39M5 to E90M3, then it’s 140, if not then it’s 120. 

boredalways > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:50

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Wait...what if the 4 cyl engine was a V-4 or VR-4?

VR-6? Flat-4? Boxer-4? W8, W12, W16? Rotary?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > E90M3 09/10/2020 at 10:51

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Haha... I forget, are there cupholders in the back?

TheJWT > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:52

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1 point. Thank god my car is a manuel or it’d be in the negatives

E90M3 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:52

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Yup! In the fold down armrest, there are two.

fhrblig > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:53

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125 points for my F-150. I lost 30 points for cupholders. Would have only been 20, but I added two more by swapping out my plain armrest for one with cupholders and storage. For what it’s worth, I’d love to rip out the two shitty ones that pop out of the dash. BTW, I’m counting my doors as suicide doors ( SuperCab).

Chariotoflove > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:53

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I would have thought you’d get points for natural aspiration, especially combines with higher cylinders and displacement, considering the Oppo affinity for older cars.

Maxima Speed > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:53

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-2, and i had to scrape the barrel of logic to get that....... brutal. Well..... i guess its good i have an e-scooter and a bicycle, lol.

just-a-scratch > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:54

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Number of seats, or seating for X people? Is a bench seat 1 seat or 3?

Future next gen S2000 owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:55

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Using the racer’s mentality of a liberal reading of the rule book, my 2009 Daytona 675 clocks in at 186 points.

3 cyl, slant & transverse mid engine, triple throttle bodies, RWD, BOF, zero door convertible, NA, manual gearbox. British built. 120 HP from the factory.

What do I win?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > boredalways 09/10/2020 at 10:55

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There are all good questions... Rotary is listed, FYI.

What do you propose (short of listing every possible engine config)?

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:55

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I got 12 on the old score.

I would say that as a child of the ‘80s, TURBO is always cool, even on a 3-cylinder econobox.

I do think power numbers could probably stand with some rejiggering, given growth on that front.

Also a perfectly normal number of cupholders cut my score by 68% I think that penalty is too harsh. Feels like to be similar to other “boring” options you should only be penalized for having more cupholders than seats, otherwise they should be worth 0 (maybe a bonus for having none).

Oh and add a weight category. I don’t think I’d qualify for much there, but we’d need to counteract high power numbers on 5000lb family haulers.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Future next gen S2000 owner 09/10/2020 at 10:56

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A 3 week trial of Jalopnik Gold.

Thomas Donohue > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:56

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tl;dr

Do we add points with multiple cars, or multiply?

PowderHound > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:56

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51 for the WRX. Lost quite a few points for being a 4 banger turbo uni body from Japan. It only has 2 cupholders! I could maybe grab 5 more points in power but I went for wheel horse power instead of crank.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > just-a-scratch 09/10/2020 at 10:57

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Bench is 3 (count seat belts if it has them).

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Maxima Speed 09/10/2020 at 10:57

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Ouch.

Ssfancyfresh > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:57

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1: 4 Cyl - 0 pts

1b: Longitudinal - 25 pts

2: Turbo - 15 pts

3: 4 Door - 0 pts

4: AWD - 10 pts

5: Front - 0 pts

6: Auto - 0 pts

7: German - 10 pts

8: 225hp - 5 pts

9: 6 years - 0 pts

10: 4 cup holders - (20) pts, 3 ashtrays - 15 pts, net (5)

Total

60 pts

2014 Audi A4

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Kids.

Future next gen S2000 owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:57

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I propose narrow vee engines get there own points, similar to transverse or flat. Points should be -25 because its a dumb layout.

Edit: W configurations are just double narrow vees. Still dumb.

Maxima Speed > Future next gen S2000 owner 09/10/2020 at 10:57

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Ha ha ha

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Chariotoflove 09/10/2020 at 10:57

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Yeah, I think NA might be worth something now, but understand why it wasn’t 12 years ago.

However, the engine config/layout gives points as well, so...

How to differentiate enthusiast turbocharged from economy turbocharged?

just-a-scratch > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:58

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What about vehicles from 1938 to 1959? It's quite a gap between 60 years old and pre-WWII.

Maxima Speed > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:59

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That camry call out lol. Dodged it by having a v6. 

Future next gen S2000 owner > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 10:59

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Have you seen the FP?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > fhrblig 09/10/2020 at 11:01

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Hmm... that’s borderline, but I’ll allow it. Ha!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Future next gen S2000 owner 09/10/2020 at 11:02

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Sorry, no take-backs.

UserNotFound > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:02

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What about Japanese diesels?

Also, at what point does a door pocket become a cup holder? When there’s clearly a rounded section to the pocket edge?

SBA Thanks You For All The Fish > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:02

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Heh, “trial”...

But, like any good “trial”, you have to give credit card info, color of first house you lived in, first car and billing zip code... you know... to start your trial.

TheJWT > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:03

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Maybe have the points for turbos increase with how old they are, so old turbo cars are worth more than new ones. Also there should be a category for turbos on cars that didn’t originally have them

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 09/10/2020 at 11:04

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A weight penalty is a good idea.

We’ll have to think about cupholders.

phenotyp > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:04

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By my reckoning, the i3 outscores my old MR2 by 40 points, even deducting for the BMW column shifter. The ‘09 535 comes up in between, and the 07 550 brings up the bottom.

So... kinda weird results.

Now, if carbon fiber body were a category...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > just-a-scratch 09/10/2020 at 11:04

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Noted.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Ssfancyfresh 09/10/2020 at 11:06

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Yep.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > PowderHound 09/10/2020 at 11:06

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Gotta use crank! That’s what everyone else will go by.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > Thomas Donohue 09/10/2020 at 11:07

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Each car gets its own score.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > TheJWT 09/10/2020 at 11:07

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Ah, I like that idea.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > SBA Thanks You For All The Fish 09/10/2020 at 11:08

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Koenigseggs actly.

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:08

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Also I think the minivan penalty is way too harsh. We’ve got some Oppo vans on Oppo, and though I don’t think we have any Previas, there’s no way one should be starting in the hole. Maybe limit it to minivans with built in vacuums...

MiniGTI - now with XJ6 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:09

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Oh man dis complicated imma have to make up a spreadsheet.

Highlights:

85 Jaguar XJ6, driven quite a bit. Longitudinal NA in-line 6, RWD, no cup holders, 4 ash trays.

98 SAAB convertible. Turbo FWD 4 cyl, but only one cupholder and 2 ash trays.

2013 MINI guess it counts as a 3 door

2016 Volvo V60CC. Turbo 5cyl. Transverse but it’s kinda slanted I guess.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 09/10/2020 at 11:09

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Yeah, minivans are good (better than 90% of crossovers).

TheRealBicycleBuck > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:10

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Jeez, my old truck would have scored more points (94) than my WRX (56). That just seems backwards.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:10

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Two update questions:

1) diesel and turbo diesel? Any extra points for those?

2) re: mixed origin/country of origin... Hyundai/Honda/Toyota/Mazda etc made in USA, which is considered the country of origin (eg: Toyota Camry is most “American made” car sold in US) also: Hyundai with chassis made in USA, but engine from Korea and transmission from Germany, does that count as mixed origin? (same for FCA products with mixed origin components) This one gets messy real quick, unless you just want to agree that the spirit of the points system allows only for things like Chrysler-powered ISOs to count.

I only calculated one o f my current vehicles: 2018 F150 4x4 King Cab 2.7tt= the 73 points. That seems about right-ish, except maybe there should be poin ts off for driving “America’s most popular vehicle". Also, the twin turbo eco-boost engines are sort of hybrid dual and sequential, as in there are two separately plumbed turbos, but there is a valved crossover pipe between them and they are not identical and spool at different RPM... I *think* that makes them more a sequential set up than a dual, but again... So many lines have been blured in the years since this first came out

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:10

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Might need some clarity for “country of origin.” It seems like it refers to location of manufacture, but some of the statements make that less clear.

I assume that my Mexican-built, German-branded GTI would be under “Other ( Canada, etc.) ”? And my American-built, Japanese-branded Outback would be under “’Me rica”?

But the Japanese reference is to a Camry . . . which is built in America. So is it about the brands “home country” ?

BaconSandwich is tasty. > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:10

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I'm at -9 points. Sounds about right.

I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:10

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This is anti-Jetta propaganda.

jminer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:11

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According to this formula my Manual Diesel Wagon is worth -25 points...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > phenotyp 09/10/2020 at 11:12

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It’s definitely meant to be more of a laugh than anything.

Carbon fiber body panel( s) or monocoque should get a bonus.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > MiniGTI - now with XJ6 09/10/2020 at 11:12

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Looking forward to your scores!

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > TheRealBicycleBuck 09/10/2020 at 11:13

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Yeah, needs some massaging.

Nothing > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:13

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The Mustang scores decently 165. The 4Runner ranks quite low. That seems  to work out.

duurtlang > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:15

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I would say turbo gasoline cars before a certain cutoff (2000?) get a bonus, and after a second cutoff (2005?) get less points than NA.

Turbo diesel does should not give any turbo-related bonus, regardless of year. 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 09/10/2020 at 11:17

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Diesel is listed in engine, other.

Seems to me that location of final assembly should be used for country of origin, but that may be too complicated? Maybe points for country of company, with a point deduction if assembled in another country?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:18

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Seems to me that location of final assembly should be used for country of origin, but that may be too complicated? Maybe points for the country of the maker, with a point deduction if assembled in another country?

Not sure what’s best. Definitely way more complicated than it used to be.

PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:20

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Total 50

1 ) i nline 6-cylinder: 10

2) single turbo : 15

3) 4-door: 0 (because kids)

4) RWD : 25

5) front engine: 0

6) 8-spd auto: 0

7) Germany : 10

8) 271-380 hp: 10

9) 8 yrs: 0

10) 4 cup holders: -20

100 b onus points to whoever guesses my DD.

sony1492 > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:21

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Corolla hatch landed me -26 which is about right.

Points for manual trans should be separated by number of forward gears, maybe a less heft tax on Cupholders 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > duurtlang 09/10/2020 at 11:23

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No love for the 335d?

Future next gen S2000 owner > Ssfancyfresh 09/10/2020 at 11:23

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Kids are the worst.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:23

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Ah, missed that diesel was in there...

With automakers being truly global to a degree thay they hadn’t even reached yet in 2008, the country of origin really gets messy... One word: St ellantis.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > jminer 09/10/2020 at 11:24

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Hmm... we should probably fix that.

Maybe a specific manual + diesel + wagon bonus?

t0ast > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:24

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How about a sliding scale based on how high the NA motor revs?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > I like cars: Jim Spanfeller is one ugly motherfucker 09/10/2020 at 11:24

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My condolences.

UserNotFound > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:25

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So my current score is:

Jeep ZJ - 55 points

Golf TDI - -25 points

Pajero - 106 points

But I would like to suggest:

Positive points should be given for:
- Japanese diesels
- Grey market imports
- RHD in a LHD country
- Zero throttle boddies
- 2015 Golf TDI manual

Negative points should be given for
- WRX

(unless it’s a 22b, which should be worth 22billion)

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > t0ast 09/10/2020 at 11:25

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That would automatically harm all LS motors. I'm not at all partial to LS engines btw.

Wrong Wheel Drive (41%) > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:25

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Oh man at least my other miata scores a SHIT load of points in the bondo category!

PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 > LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:26

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By definition and for the purposes of this questionn aire , COO is where a product underwent final assembly, before being sold to the end user .

Wiki definition: the place from which the merchandise was directly received; that is the last border crossed or port entered before reaching its final destination

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > t0ast 09/10/2020 at 11:27

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Maybe. Or maybe just a bonus for a redline over a certain point?

CivicWagonEngineer > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:27

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I did my whole fleet, here are the results

2001 Miata SE = 96 points, cupholders lost me some points but did alright otherwise

2000 Honda Insight = 76.71428, hybrid got me a weird decimal but otherwise better than expected, 3 cylinder, manual, and digital dash helped here

1999 Chevy C2500 = 120, somehow my most boring vehicle is more Oppo than a Miata and an Insight, nothing special with this one besides V8 and RWD

2003 Isuzu NQR = 171, least expected but turbo diesel, manual, dually, flatbed, and mid-engined (cab over counts right?) is apparently highly desirable on Oppo. I don’t know if this truck belongs in my “fantasy garage” though

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 09/10/2020 at 11:29

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Maybe scrap country of origin, but give a bonus to cars that were assembled in the same country were the make was founded?

CivicWagonEngineer > TheRealBicycleBuck 09/10/2020 at 11:29

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My highest scorer (171) was my 2003 Isuzu NQR lol

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CivicWagonEngineer 09/10/2020 at 11:29

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Well deserved.

PowderHound > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:30

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In that case I’m going to give myself 5 more points and assume 250WHP put crank somewhere above 270 crank

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 09/10/2020 at 11:31

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3-series?

just-a-scratch > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:32

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1996 BMW 328i: 90 points 

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > CivicWagonEngineer 09/10/2020 at 11:33

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Old pickups are good, but maybe that’s a little high.

NQR score is well deserved.

Pickup_man > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:34

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-3 0 points (yes, negative) for the Cobalt, the only positive points I got were + 5 for a single throttle body (which feels like a cheat, I think it should be +5 for every throttle body over one, because pretty much everything has one throttle body) , +5 for ‘Merica, and +10 for age. -10 for latitudinaly , -20 for unit body, -20 for having four cup holders. But hey it was super cheap beater car that gets 30 mpg. 

45 points for the F-150 (cup holders killed me here with -40 points).

Are lockers worthy of bonus points? say 5 for E-lockers, 10 for air lockers, 15 for Detroit lockers, 25 for welded diff ?

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > just-a-scratch 09/10/2020 at 11:34

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Nice.

phenotyp > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:35

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I’m old enough to remember this the first go-round, and I continue to feel the same about the MR2's low score— this injustice will not stand, man!

(but kinda made up for by the i3 kinda killin it, even without a speculative CF bonus)

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > PowderHound 09/10/2020 at 11:35

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What’s your car’s redline?

ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:36

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2002 C5 Z06: 105 points! I knew having 1 cupholder would come handy somewhere :P I also considered it to be a 2 door. Its got 3 doors if I consider the boot.

2004 Mini Cooper S (R53): so this one is weird. I put in country of origin as “Mixed” since the body was designed in Germany, built in England and the engine was a JV between BMW and Chrysler (more like Chrysler designed the engine and BMW agreed to pay for it) The engine was also built and assembled in Brazil and then shipped to England for final assembly. 165 points wow! 85 points if I put in the country as England...

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > phenotyp 09/10/2020 at 11:37

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So the MR2 scores for mid-engine and RWD, is that it?

We clearly need to add pop-up headlight points.

t0ast > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:37

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Wow, I completely forgot about this... Anyway, if I’m doing the math right here, it looks like the Exocet scores around 163 under the old system, using the donor for age and just averaging manufacturer location between U.S. and Japan to account for the mixed body+drivetrain origins .

Having zero doors and that bonus for basically stock miata power in a miata/” se7en” helped out quite a bit here . It’d also be knocking on the door of 200 points with an aftermarket digital dash thrown in, so revisions might want to make a distinction between OEM and aftermarket in that area since the former is a bit more oppo/jalop.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > t0ast 09/10/2020 at 11:39

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I don’t know, aftermarket is pretty Jalop as well.

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:40

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So my Belgian-built (then Ford- owned) Volvo doesn’t count as Swedish? I don’t have it anymore, but how about my Volvo S40 (Ford owned, built in T he Netherlands in a joint v enture with Mitsubishi)

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > ItalianJobR53 - now with added 'MERICA and unreliability 09/10/2020 at 11:40

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Yeah, 3-doors are hatchbacks.

We have some work to do on the country of origin section.

bob and john > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:40

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2008 lexus IS250 AWD. 54 points.
the 2012 daytona? 141 points. 

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:40

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Hmmm, that has potential... Japanese Toyotas > American Toyotas, Jeep Grand Cherokee > Jeep Renegade etc... That could work.

facw > Chariotoflove 09/10/2020 at 11:41

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There are still a lot of crappy non-enthusiast NA cars out there.

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:41

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Speaking of engine layouts Saab Sonett owners are going to be sad that their V4 is worthless.

PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 > PyroHoltz f@h Oppo 261120 09/10/2020 at 11:43

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Didn’t notice 1b, longitudinal: 25 points, brings my total up to 7 5.

LimitedTimeOnly @ opposite-lock.com > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:43

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I think that an Oppo should be able to accurately determine the country of manufacture/final assembly. If that is too complicated, then their membership status needs to be demoted accordingly (maybe to Copper level, possibly Tin ).

nFamousCJ - Keeper of Stringbean, Gengars and a Deezul > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:43

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Someone get me some truck nuts so I can win!

Also before cup holders the 250 pulls a respectable 115. However the powah scale does not fair well for the mighty 7.3 turbo diesel. Though if we were talking torques... 

My bird IS the word > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:43

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My trans am is at 178 , including 15 points for convertible since you didnt put in a category for T tops which somehow puts me in fantasy garage territory.

I appreciate the idea but this is far from balanced. And awd is 100% better than rwd.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > facw 09/10/2020 at 11:43

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I don’t know... gets very messy.

But does s eem like American/German/Japanese/etc. cars still built in those countries should get a bonus, since it’s becoming more and more rare.

AkursedX > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:43

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RX-8- 99pts, or 149 if I get the 50pts for the rear suicide doors.

STI- 86pts

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > bob and john 09/10/2020 at 11:44

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Bikes definitely need their own scoring system.

t0ast > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:45

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That too could work, perhaps with at least 7-7.5k being the minimum. I’m also wondering if it might also be in the spirit of this rating system to award points for anything with an abnormally low rev limit as well.

facw > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:45

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Also, why are we giving points for ash trays? I don’t think there’s anything Jalop or Oppo about ash trays, and frankly at this point, it’s basically just giving points for the car being old (and there’s already a category for that) .

phenotyp > davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com 09/10/2020 at 11:45

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No pop ups, but manual, mid-engine convertible, lighter than a Miata and with the engine in the right place. I also put a full underbody bracing frame on mine, which completely transformed the handling (in the best ways).

I still miss that car every day.